Just a question about BAN

[lkjfds1 0]

Hello all,

Since I was banned from last 3 days, and I e-mail the support team, they said they release my account for once, but next time will be perma ban, so how do you guys handle it especially you botting 24/7, I can't change my external IP address, because I living in dorms, and they banned my external address, will there be possible if I change my internal IP address to bypass the ip ban?

Thank you for your time!

[Jizz 0]

Mind telling us more about what you were doing? Where you were running? Any chance you could post your config file? Any information you provide will greatly help the community. We need to know more about whats getting people caught.

[lkjfds1 0]

Mind telling us more about what you were doing? Where you were running? Any chance you could post your config file? Any information you provide will greatly help the community. We need to know more about whats getting people caught.

very simple, I was botting at forest 24/7, literally after 15 hours running, when I playing my main account, I got banned, the only thing i change from config is the zone name, but last not least, I set relog time as 20 sec, so after 20 sec without killing monster, bot log me into another instance.

[Jizz 0]

were you ever at any time playing two accounts on the same pc?

Also, this no-monster time could have got you caught. If its set to anything.. your bot could easily spam instances. Moreso if its a low variable like 20. I have it set to infinite & reset on overall zone time.

[lkjfds1 0]

were you ever at any time playing two accounts on the same pc?

Also, this no-monster time could have got you caught. If its set to anything.. your bot could easily spam instances. Moreso if its a low variable like 20. I have it set to infinite & reset on overall zone time.

yes, I did play two account but not at the same time, sometime I bot my main, sometimes I bot my smurf. But definitely one bot at a time.

I didnt quite get that by "Moreso if its a low variable like 20, I have it set to infinite & reset on overall zone time" do you mean you set your timer to infinite? or default which is 60 sec.

[Jizz 0]

infinte. Set to 0. So it doesnt reset when there are no mobs. It waits out the full time. I have my zone time set to 5minutes40seconds. So even if it kills mobs that whole time or it sits there for half the time... the point is.. it sits there and waits. It doesnt spam instances. You could go to bed and be running your bot w/ a 20 second kill timer... your bot could get stuck on waypoint zone-in 6 out of 10 times.. And make 7+ instances in under 3 minutes.

[lkjfds1 0]

infinte. Set to 0. So it doesnt reset when there are no mobs. It waits out the full time. I have my zone time set to 5minutes40seconds. So even if it kills mobs that whole time or it sits there for half the time... the point is.. it sits there and waits. It doesnt spam instances. You could go to bed and be running your bot w/ a 20 second kill timer... your bot could get stuck on waypoint zone-in 6 out of 10 times.. And make 7+ instances in under 3 minutes.

true, my bots 6out of 10 times will stuck at wp, but it works along with pathing scripts.

second, 5 mins40sec would be really long timers, it depands on which map are you botting? Would u share some your config with me?

[d12 3]

ur banned account was verified?

and i guess u just got banned on ur internal ip address.

they wont ban everyone using ur router.

simplest way is to use a vm with bridged mode. and if u want to be super save use a proxy or vpn access.

i highly doubt that the bot config lets u get banned more/less often.

yes if u run through the city parts it might be a higher chance, that some random player reports u for some reason, but im running 30sec monster no kill, and just got banned on a non verified account yet.

d12

[uniquetong 0]

ur banned account was verified?

and i guess u just got banned on ur internal ip address.

they wont ban everyone using ur router.

simplest way is to use a vm with bridged mode. and if u want to be super save use a proxy or vpn access.

i highly doubt that the bot config lets u get banned more/less often.

yes if u run through the city parts it might be a higher chance, that some random player reports u for some reason, but im running 30sec monster no kill, and just got banned on a non verified account yet.

d12

so I should simply switched my internal ip adress next time when I get banned on unverified account? I got banned on my main acct tho

[d12 3]

ofc if ur simply using ur main and ur bot on the same ip. and no it doesnt matter if ur using at the same time or not. ip is the same.

run the bot in a vm and/or with proxy/vpn.

[poebo 1]

ok let me dispell some misinform and confusion here.

first thing: your internal IP (the one you see when you type ipconfig in cmd prompt) is only visible internally on your network.

GGG does not see this IP.

(it should be something like 192.168.x.x or maybe 10.0.x.x depending how you setup your router)

if you go to http://www.whatismyip.com you will see the same thing that GGG sees. your actual internet protocol number, which is what IP stands for. this is your "address" on the internet. it is unique. nobody else has this address but you. that is how information knows where to get sent. when you request a website you send information to an IP and say "hey give me this webpage" - and if that webpage exists it sees in your request where your address (IP) is. then it knows where to send that information back to.

so.

ignore all of this stuff about changing your internal IP, because that doesnt matter at all.

if GGG IP bans you, they IP ban your external IP, because that is the only IP they see anyway.

this would be really bad for them though because many, maybe even most players, play from big network. share network where many people use same IP. so maybe GGG ban your IP and then they end up banning 100 other players. bad for GGG so they dont do this.

so.

the only thing we need to know about people getting banned is:

1-did you verify your account? if you create new account and dont verify, it probly put you on a redflag warning for ggg to check it.

2-what did your config file look like? maybe its a problem like the above poster said, where he put 20 seconds no_kill_timeout which is very low, and can result in bot spamming instances for no reason. this is suspicious too and ggg can log activity like this and check it.

3-do you bot your bot-account only or do you also play it sometime?

4-how often do you run? i think it is easy for ggg to log accounts that are playing 24/7 and check them.

my suggestion then to make your bot accounts look more like human:

1-dont bot 24/7. if you want to bot 24/7 then make more bot accounts and switch them during the day.

2-verify your accounts. enter a real email address and verify each account you make. duh.

3-play your bots sometime. you have to get them through to act3 merc anyway. do some trading. talk in chat from bot sometime. you know, like real human.

4-go do other things with bot than just same zone grinding everytime it logs on. go to different zones. change it up sometime. you know, like real human..

remember this - PoE now have million+ players. that means GGG cant check each person. all they can do is build logging checks that automatically logs player activity and they can design some formula which to them feels like it could be something that a bot would do.

like:

log everytime player makes instance

compare last 100 instances, are they the same?

compare last 100 instances, on average did they get started in a small time span apart, eg: less than 60 seconds?

if yes, they might flag this account and have some mod at GGG check it. nobody knows how they can check it. if they can look into your zone or what.

but at the end, only thing GGG can do is make some automatic formulas to check your activity. if your activity is very repetitive, then GGG will check your acct.

so - make your activity less repetitive!

i wonder how many of the wefweonrwiojq bots they ban because act1 normal town is full of bots everytime i go there. all the bot names are the same too, its just random letters like "noqiwejoindOEIReq", and they all do exact same thing:

1-run to the "arch" entrance to town, pause 2 seconds

2-run to the woman vendor, pause 10 seconds (they are probly vendoring junk they picked up)

3-run to stash, pause 10 seconds (they are stashing)

4-run to waypoint

you can see an army of these bots non stop all day long.

they have vendor selling and stashing already built in.

these are being run by the RMT traders i am pretty sure.

you mostly see them on europe gateway or singapore gateway. i dont see them on america gateway when i play from it.

this bot also does not log out to restart. it use portal to get back to town, then it vendor, stash, and make new instance.

hopefully exilebot can soon do that, because another very easy way for ggg to detect exilebot is to log how often player logs off.

if logging off every 60 seconds and making new instance, can flag acct and check it because that is suspicious.

this makes exilebot much less efficient. i think this is the #1 thing exilebot need to fix: you should not be logging out to start another run. you should use portal scroll and go back into portal.

also, ressurect should click resurrect button. not log out.

bot should never log out, that is very very easy to detect suspicious activity.

[Jizz 0]

I think you're damn wrong. There isnt anything suspicious about logging out to get back to town. Its the cheapest and fastest way to leave a zone you're playing in. Saves scrolls to purchase orbs from vendors. If it was suspicious, then everyone in hardcore would be flagged for botting...as they exit game to prevent death. Its not the act of logging out that gets people caught, if anything... its excessive instance making.. and looking like a bot in town. The logging out thing is something frugal/knowledgeable players use on a regular basis.

[d12 3]

few other things which are quite not totally true.

1. its kinda irrelevant for GGG to check wether an account is logging off all the time, or making a new instance all the time. its kinda the same for them to check. so preventing logout doesnt help anyways.

trying to run as long as possible within one instance might help tho. but not cause GGG checks us automatically. its more the fact, that its looking less suspicious to other players so they wont report u.

2. making different accounts to let the bot run 12/7 and 12/7 for example doesnt help either. since GGG can easily check which ip address is online how often. so several accounts dont help.

3. im not quite sure about this one, but cant they just check ur mac address? which would fuck u instant if ur not using a vm? or they can only check the mac address of the router (which actually wouldnt be a problem like u said alrdy) or can they check some kind of mac address of ur lan card (which would be obviously a problem)?

there has to be other ways to ban ppl permanently than using so called "ip ban" since thats quite useless.

if i got some shit wrong ur welcome to correct me and help me to learn this kind of stuff. i just suck if it comes to networking things.

d12

[Guest]

I'm botting 24/7 for more than 2 weeks now...same zone, same character, same setup...0 problems.

However i never login another account in same time, always 1 at a time.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty sure they're detecting 2 connections from the same computer, then they start investigating.

[d12 3]

said it a few times before, but ill just say it here again

i dont think that GGG has alot of automatically bot detection yet.

[username1001101 11]

first thing: your internal IP (the one you see when you type ipconfig in cmd prompt) is only visible internally on your network.

GGG does not see this IP.

WRONG. You don't know what the binary does. How do you know it does not have an integrated ipconfig command to read out the current system's lan ip?

nobody else has this address but you.

WRONG. Especially in mobile networks you're often being NATed - hence you share your public IP with a lot of other mobile users.

this would be really bad for them though because many, maybe even most players, play from big network. share network where many people use same IP. so maybe GGG ban your IP and then they end up banning 100 other players. bad for GGG so they dont do this.

You assume they don't check your actual lan ip which they could ....

[Zerkzor 0]

I dont know much about IP stuff, but I have seen threads from time to time on the official POE forum about people beeing banned. They have often shared dorms or area public IPs. Every person that posts about beeing banned are asked to contact staff to be able to play again.

Either the people posting are botting and trying to get their bans removed, or they are actual victims of banned public IPs cause their neighbour botted.

[d12 3]

thats quite dumb of GGG to ban like this.

but as i know a vpn helps here.

[uniquetong 0]

I'm botting 24/7 for more than 2 weeks now...same zone, same character, same setup...0 problems.

However i never login another account in same time, always 1 at a time.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretty sure they're detecting 2 connections from the same computer, then they start investigating.

Hi Boss,

Maybe, can you share you config to us? or in the Elite, wondering what's your build for 0 problems, pretty interesting.

[poebo 1]

first thing: your internal IP (the one you see when you type ipconfig in cmd prompt) is only visible internally on your network.

GGG does not see this IP.

WRONG. You don't know what the binary does. How do you know it does not have an integrated ipconfig command to read out the current system's lan ip?

if they do this, i will sue them, and shut their company down.

yes, i can do that too.

this would be so illegal its not even funny. clear cut case with technical proof that is easy to get (logging traffic and data, saving a copy of the .exe which executes it).

not only that, but this is also flagged by antivirus programs as trojan, because thats what trojans do.

so, you are wrong actually. but thx anyway.

nobody else has this address but you.

WRONG. Especially in mobile networks you're often being NATed - hence you share your public IP with a lot of other mobile users.

the address which i said that you have, which nobody else has, is your LAN IP.

GGG cannot see your LAN IP. what i said is correct. they see your WAN IP. your external IP. the one your router has on the internet. your local/LAN/internal IP is not visible to GGG.

what you said about sharing public IP is correct. that is also what i said. there are only so many public IPs, but millions more devices connect via those public IPs.

that is what i said, and that is also correct.

your local/lan/internal IP however is not visible outside.

this is a very simple technical fact that is easily proven.

learn more about networks if you are going to so strongly post like this.

this would be really bad for them though because many, maybe even most players, play from big network. share network where many people use same IP. so maybe GGG ban your IP and then they end up banning 100 other players. bad for GGG so they dont do this.

You assume they don't check your actual lan ip which they could ....

they *cannot* check your lan ip.

if they are running any other commands on your PC, including /ipconfig which is a windows program, and sending this information along to their servers, refer to my first paragraph: i will sue them and shut down their company. quite easily too.

i have already checked their client.exe and they dont do any of this. if they ever try to it will be very easy to detect, if you even have a half-good antivirus it will detect it for you.

but back to the original issue: being detected.

even if they did check your lan ip which they would get sued up the ass for. so what? what does that tell them? nothing.

if you are still only running one client and one account on one computer/VM, then what is the difference?

you could be at home behind a router with just you and your PCs, or at a university behind a router sharing with 1000 students, or at a company sharing with 500 employees, or at a city-wide LAN sharing with 150,000 people in your city. or you could be at a gaming cafe and the PC you are using could be the same one that 20 other people use to play the same game, too.

so this information is absolutely useless for GGG to detect anything suspicious with anyway.

which is what this thread is about.

detecting suspicious things.

you are going way off target here.

what bloody said is also very good to heed. he is doing basically the same thing any normal player could/would/can do. playing one account, on one computer.

i just think that if GGG is banning people, there has to be a reason why they got detected.

if its because they are stupid, thats one thing.

but figuring out what has gotten them detected is what this thread is about, so that we know what GGG is looking for and we can avoid it.

just because bloody runs 24/7 and doesnt get caught doesnt mean that others doing the same wont.

what he is doing might also get him caught sooner or later too.

dont think that GGG isnt reading these forums either. if they arent, they are pretty dumb.

[username1001101 11]

WRONG. You don't know what the binary does. How do you know it does not have an integrated ipconfig command to read out the current system's lan ip?

if they do this, i will sue them, and shut their company down.

yes, i can do that too.

this would be so illegal its not even funny.

Why would that be illegal? Do you know the laws of NZL? As for the rest of your entry... it's just some blabla.... sorry...

clear cut case with technical proof that is easy to get (logging traffic and data, saving a copy of the .exe which executes it).

not only that, but this is also flagged by antivirus programs as trojan, because thats what trojans do.

so, you are wrong actually. but thx anyway.

WRONG. Especially in mobile networks you're often being NATed - hence you share your public IP with a lot of other mobile users.

the address which i said that you have, which nobody else has, is your LAN IP.

Actually, you were talking about the WAN IP: "if you go to http://www.whatismyip.com you will see the same thing that GGG sees. your actual internet protocol number, which is what IP stands for. this is your "address" on the internet. it is unique. nobody else has this address but you." So, I'm correct again. You WAN IP isn't necessarily only allocated to you. Your ISP might NAT you - which is often the case on mobile connections. Hence the part "nobody else has this address but you" is wrong.

You assume they don't check your actual lan ip which they could ....

they *cannot* check your lan ip.

Yes, they can. And no, they don't need to run the ipconfig command on your computer. They could just provide their own little tool to do that. And yeah, just go sue them if you like...

even if they did check your lan ip which they would get sued up the ass for. so what? what does that tell them? nothing.

it can tell them a lot - especially to find out if it's a virtual device that's being run. That can be automated and once the alarm bells go off, they might have a closer look at your behvaiour.

[poebo 1]

Why would that be illegal? Do you know the laws of NZL? As for the rest of your entry... it's just some blabla.... sorry...

yes i do know the laws and yes it is illegal. if you dont know the laws and are just a kid without any professional experience then no need for you to comment on this, is there?

blablah is exactly what you have written in this thread.

i have written facts that i can prove and you have written lots of bla bla.

Actually, you were talking about the WAN IP: "if you go to http://www.whatismyip.com you will see the same thing that GGG sees. your actual internet protocol number, which is what IP stands for. this is your "address" on the internet. it is unique. nobody else has this address but you." So, I'm correct again. You WAN IP isn't necessarily only allocated to you. Your ISP might NAT you - which is often the case on mobile connections. Hence the part "nobody else has this address but you" is wrong.

do you know how to read english?

there are these things called periods (.) which end sentences and separate them from eachother.

let me explain to you WHAT I SAID because its too hard for you to read english.

i said:

1-your WAN IP is what GGG and the rest of the world sees. your wan IP is your external IP, the one your router has. YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A WAN IP! is that clear?

2-"nobody has this wan IP but you" means that nobody else on the internet has the same WAN IP but "you". "you" in this context (do you know what context is? probably not) means your router. this could be you + your family, or you + 1000 students you share your router with, or even you + your city LAN. "you" in the english language is both a singular and plural word, it can mean you as an individual or you as a group, eg: "hey you guys".

so, incorrect again but good luck with english and trolling, you seem to be bad at both though.

even if they did check your lan ip which they would get sued up the ass for. so what? what does that tell them? nothing.

it can tell them a lot - especially to find out if it's a virtual device that's being run. That can be automated and once the alarm bells go off, they might have a closer look at your behvaiour.

what does this matter if its a virtual device or not?

are you talking about VM? so what if game is being run in a VM?

there is nothing wrong with playing PoE in a VM theres thousands of people doing that normally anyway.

you can also setup a VM to be impossible to detect as a VM anyway. VMware player has ability to do this. software running inside VM cannot tell if it is being run in a VM or not. the entire physical hardware of the machine is perfectly mimicked by the VM so that any OS calls to detect hardware or OS settings return exactly the same as if it were running on the machine host OS.

this is sortof the goal of a VM anyway. to make the OS think that it is running on a real PC.

but of course knowing what you are talking about isnt really your strong suit.

i am here to help give facts and help all of us figure out what gets people banned.

all of your bla bla is nothing but bla bla because you have no clue what you are talking about. you dont understand technology, and are just making up a bunch of rumors and myths and guesses.

this doesnt help anyone. in fact it hurts everyone.

if you have something useful to add then do so.

right now youve added nothing useful but trying to argue the facts that are....facts.

let me explain this since its probably hard for you to grasp: youre trying to argue that 2 + 2 does not equal 4 because you dont understand what the + operator does. you are telling people that it does something completely different (because you dont actually know).

this is stupid and is a total waste of my time.

i wont reply to your ignorant posts anymore after this -- but for the sake of everyone else to actually get the facts straight i am putting them straight here.

what i have said is fact. argue it all you want. it doesnt change reality one bit no matter how much you want to cry about it.

end result of this thread:

1-changing your internal IP does nothing.

2-dont use 2 clients on the same computer.

3-botting in a VM or on your machine makes no difference.

4-using a VPN makes no difference, it just changes your external IP to the VPN (and it increases your lag significantly). the exception to this is if you are IP banned. then obviously you will have to use a VPN. if you are IP banned though you already screwed up somehow.

5-dont bot and play on the same computer. never open and login to 2 clients on the same machine. what GGG *can* track is your MAC address. this is how most people are getting banned: playing 2 accounts/clients on same PC.

6-if you get IP banned, you can only get your wan IP banned. GGG would be really foolish to do this because most wan IPs are used by lots of people, so you can easily argue with GGG to unban your IP if they do that.

7-verify all your accounts.

if anyone else has more FACTS to add then please do so.

if you dont have a clue wtf you are talking about and are making childish ignorant guesses, do everyone a favor and be quiet.

kthxbai :B

[username1001101 11]

yes i do know the laws and yes it is illegal.

Please point out the according provisions in the law or any case-law regarding this matter?

if you dont know the laws

And you do know the laws?

and are just a kid

That's right, I'm a kid. You feel better now?

let me explain to you WHAT I SAID because its too hard for you to read english.

i said:

1-your WAN IP is what GGG and the rest of the world sees. your wan IP is your external IP, the one your router has. YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A WAN IP! is that clear?

2-"nobody has this wan IP but you" means that nobody else on the internet has the same WAN IP but "you". "you" in this context (do you know what context is? probably not) means your router. this could be you + your family, or you + 1000 students you share your router with, or even you + your city LAN. "you" in the english language is both a singular and plural word, it can mean you as an individual or you as a group, eg: "hey you guys".

That's so wrong, I don't eve know to start where to correct it.

1. A router is also computer; hence "my computer" also has a wan ip

2. If you use IPv6 then each device has it's on public IP

3. As provided by example, if you're on a mobile network (still using IPv4) then to my experience you're often being NATed, hence your public IP is shared among hundreds of other mobile users. So it's not just "me" having that IP.

4. Funny thing that you want to teach me english but seem not to be able to use it properly yourself

what does this matter if its a virtual device or not?

If it makes you happy to believe, that it doesn't matter whether it's a virtual device or not, then so be it.

1-changing your internal IP does nothing.

You don't know that.

2-dont use 2 clients on the same computer.

Why not?

3-botting in a VM or on your machine makes no difference.

Why not?

4-using a VPN makes no difference

Why not?

5-dont bot and play on the same computer.

why not?

6-if you get IP banned, you can only get your wan IP banned. GGG would be really foolish to do this because most wan IPs are used by lots of people, so you can easily argue with GGG to unban your IP if they do that.

Reference?

if anyone else has more FACTS to add then please do so.

What are those so-called facts of yours based on?

[d12 3]

why so much talking?

im honest: im too lazy to read all this ;P since its easy enough to solve the getting banned problem on main account with a vpn or proxy.

even using a vm with only bridged mode should simply solve the problem. if they rly ban ur main while botting ur crap account u can still report ur ban and get back ur account. since they got no proove u botted on ur main.

another important aspect might be, that u shouldnt directly trade bot and main accounts. atm theyr not getting this connection i would say, but in the future they will.