pronoooob 42 Report post Posted December 22, 2013 Hey all, I don't claim to know anything and everything about the whole POE system (and how they ban botters), but I have been around for a quite while and there are a few simple tips that many experienced users employ to reduce ban rates and to isolate bans when they are multibotting: #1. Use a VPN/Proxy and VM to separate ur accounts. VPN/Proxy - provides you with another alternate IP to your home IP, think about it...if your botting all your bots on one IP, and you get banned, most likely you will lose all your bots and your main. By using a VM which creates a virtual computer with its own MAC and Hardware addresses, you can use a VPN to give it a separate IP to your main computer. Then if a ban occurs on one (if you had 2 accounts ++) the other/s will most likely be safe. #2a. Do note trade between your accounts and make private parties.... It is a known fact that GGG logs trades especially with the aim of flagging RMTers. (http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/548288) However if your accounts are trading often with one another, it is also a high risk. Especially if alot of items/uniques/currency is being traded back and forth, and if the trading is to your main it poses a risk for that main account, even if you don not bot it. Solution: Create a public party with the account you want to trade to, join it with your bot and drop the SHIT on the ground. This simple tip may take a bit more time, but it will give alot more safety to your account.... #2b. So your going to RMT... (http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/548288) As seen in that thread...be fucking careful, often I have dealt with buyers who are not very smart. By trading all your currency for nothing is a HUGE risk of getting currency banned, I have experienced a currency ban like this before myself. Solution: create a specific account for trading, or ask the RMT buyers if you can drop on the ground before hand (on another COMMUNICATION MEDIUM not through poe.....-_-"""""""""). #3. Social Interaction POE is a social game, you need to interact via the trade channel and forums etc to make profits and sell your wares. Often people will add you as a friend. Think about this, if you botting an account over 16 hours a day and your friends see you on everyday non stop...don't you think its abit suspicious? Maybe they will report you for botting, maybe they won't? Do you want to take that risk? Note**: If you must add friends, Add people who truly are your friend and will be cool with what you are doing ...never underestimate peoples jealousy...... Also if you post an item for sale on a forum/thread and some noob adds you and tries to talk to you about buying the item, but...you are not there? Don't you think thats is also suspicious? They are trying to talk to you but your not there, no reply, yet your account is playing. Solution: Make a bank for trading and posting on forums...as simple as that. You go online when u want to trade and can talk to people then like a real person! #4a. Running accounts 24/7 This one is a debatable one. I myself personally dont like to run 24/7 but there are many who do... Thinking logically, what human plays 24/7, 7days a week...? #4b. Mixing up Farming Zones Also another debatable one. There are Zone changers, () to change your zone to look more human. No human would play the same map/area over and over for their whole POE lifetime (eg Docks). #5. VPN LifeGuard If your VPN is unstable and disconnects alot...use VPN life guard... If your VPN dcs, and your bot is on it will try and connect on your regular IP, if this keeps happening alot...you can see how it would be bad right? #6. Disclosing Info About Your Account This one is common sense...but often people surprise me about how very little they posses.... Our chatbox, and our forums, anyone can create a public account and join....EVEN GGG Do not post your IGN on chat/forums, do not post screen shots of your char ....ETC..... also, do not create a character with the same name as ur forum acc... #7. Lower Levels GGG has stated themselves that they monitor lower levels, so take it easy when leveling a new account <35. IF you wanna play more and feel u should be botting, just make another account...now you have 2! #8 Jarvan's Trading Advice! When trading your new found loot for currency... be it that soul taker you just found, or that stack of 500 fusings that you're converting into exalts... Be warned. The probability that someone botted to get that currency is high, and the probability that the person got flagged while getting it, or muling it is even higher. Remember back in D2LoD when you needed to perm runes before trading otherwise they would dissapear soon as you left game? Well it's kinda like that only, doing a trick with checkmarks, or staying in game for 5 minutes isn't gonna help you. And instead of losing the currency you just got, you'll be banhammered. Make sure you're trading from reputable sources. If it's 12:00pm US time zone, and the person you're trading with doesn't speak a lick of english... You'll probably be banned within 24 hours... If you're trading with people that are trying to sell all their exalts super fast ($wts exalt for 5 less than the going price, 10 left), chances are you'll be banned within 24 hours. You want to trade with people who are playing legitimately, this means a) they won't have 10 exalts for currency exchange, unless their doing a lottery and you happen to win it. b) They won't take 10 minutes to respond because they're alt tabbed while botting. c)They won't pay more than the going rate, because they don't have the bank a botter does. d) they won't tell you to hurry up, because if they want the trade to happen, they will wait for it to happen. Use common sense, and don't trade with that dude who just botted for 24 hours straight, one sided traded all his currency on to one character and decided to launder the hot drops on unsuspecting buyers. #8 Using Free VPN Services: Services such as VPNgate offer a VPN address that are for free... As with everything thats free alot of people will be using it. -> IE So you will be sharing your ip with SHIT LOADS OF CHIENSEEEEEE and their bot farms If they get banned so will you! As always my threads are open to suggestions/criticism and if there are any more tips please post below! CHEERS and Happy BOTTING DUDEZ! 1 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
f1ndm3h 3 Report post Posted December 22, 2013 (edited) Nice tips posted there . I believe we should add more regarding how to bot in a more human way. I believe this is everything and breaks some patterns that GGG could be based on. So from our side we need to get better on using the bot.. in a normal, random, human way. On the other side the bot has to get better (stop looping etc) because it gives out many patterns this way. There are 2 things that we can do in addition in my opinion: To randomly change the map explore ratio.. Like for 2hours have it to 90% and then change it to 70%. Who on earth does explore exactly the same percentage of map everytime??? (But I guess the bot aint so much accurate so its not exactly the same percentage.. but still it could be a pattern) To randomly afk meanwhile botting quite often. It is so strange if you bot for 6hours and never afk for 20 sec to piss off.. Edited December 22, 2013 by f1ndm3h Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ether88 9 Report post Posted December 22, 2013 Another tip: Make your account history human. Socialize. Add some friends, chat or just monitor trades/global chat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronoooob 42 Report post Posted December 22, 2013 hmmm @ Ether yes you can add friends....just be very sure they are actual friends who wont report you for botting...because as stated before it is SUPER suss....seeing a friend online ALL THE TIME as In, random game people you dont know well might get jelly............trust me...only add friends if they truly are your friend and are cool with what u do... Once again I have to stress this...be very careful who you add and socially interacting ...people are able to ninja add u and are able to see you as a friend going offline and online without your approval even... Alot of my bots have only a few friends I trust...and I like it that way...no bans so far... im not so keen on adding eceryone on the sun and spouting my name on trade channel...for obvious reasons, I prefer to be discreet and not call attention to myself 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ether88 9 Report post Posted December 23, 2013 That was not a question. That was a good practice. But thank you for expanding the matter for other players. I was a bot-hunter in my old days - making bot "real" is as important as technical safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronoooob 42 Report post Posted December 23, 2013 Idk man...I just wouldnt go shouting my name to the whole world...when im doing something illegal in the game... Yes you are right... socializing/partying with others (on your friends list) does give the impression of legitness....I however would refrain from spamming my bots name on trade channels etc...and forums...as stated above in my posts about the issues of people trying to communicate you when you are not there, and when they ninja add you! Thanks for the replies always good to have healthy discussion about these topics 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterpulha 157 Report post Posted December 23, 2013 thx man! +rep 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xier0 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2013 Coming from other games and RMT markets, can any of the tech smart people tell me if there are any cache files that GGG can write to that monitor your activity that can be deleted or made read-only? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronoooob 42 Report post Posted December 24, 2013 they arent that sophisticated Xier0..their staff isnt actually that large... they just have a few thresholds and triggers which flag your account im speculating... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadq 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2013 well they just banned 10 accs 2 of them was offline one day Oo bann for nothing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronoooob 42 Report post Posted December 28, 2013 wow GG...did u trade with one another etc...make parties...more information please ... very sorrry for your loss tho thats a real kick in the crotch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbbbbbbbb 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Hello all, had some questions I'm hoping the community could help answer in regards to tip#1 as quoted below: " #1. Use a VPN/Proxy and VM to separate ur accounts. VPN/Proxy - provides you with another alternate IP to your home IP, think about it...if your botting all your bots on one IP, and you get banned, most likely you will lose all your bots and your main. By using a VM which creates a virtual computer with its own MAC and Hardware addresses, you can use a VPN to give it a separate IP to your main computer. Then if a ban occurs on one (if you had 2 accounts ++) the other/s will most likely be safe." How are you running PoE in the VM? Is there a guide on this? I was going to use the native Hyper-V capability in Win 8, loaded up a Win7 VM, downloaded client and get an error in regards to video. Doing some searching, seems there are quite a few issues with doing 3d graphics on a virtual machine. There are some workarounds but they all look rather complex or have specific hardware or OS requirements, so how are most accomplishing this? Also, how does running it in a VM help with IP addresses as your external facing IP is still the same as the host computers which is set by your ISP. My ISP give's me a dynamic IP that changes daily so maybe I have some relief there assuming I don't log into my main the same days as my bot, but maybe I'm misunderstanding how this is done? Appreciate any help or links to guides with which to educate myself, I realize I am new to this and may not be understanding some of these concepts. THX! Edited January 27, 2014 by bbbbbbbbb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marypoe777 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 regarding trading vs dropping, if they monitor trades, isn't reasonable think they also logs drops? drops are even rarer than trades in general, so I'm not sure if this trick if valid at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pronoooob 42 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 the def log trades for RMT purposes...thats how u get curr banned...then banned no curr bans or any bans from the drop method atm...will remove it once they change their ways...for now its "safer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt 178 Report post Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) interesting tidbit that is probably irrelevant but Go to your path of exile directory and then click on the logs folder and open client file with notepad.seems to be mostly just chat logs.. Edited February 4, 2014 by Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UnderTheRadar 0 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 I just had 8 of 10 bots banned. Would like to know what ive done wrong because theres gotta be a clear mistake ive done if almost all my bots get banned. What ive done for each bot: new vm, new email address(verified, different providers), new vpn(different gateways/ paid vpn) What they had in common: No Lifeguard, Dynamic VPN, almost exact passive tree skilling, same account password. What they did not have in common: no shared parties or any other contact between bots, different farming areas/difficulties, no movings of currency between or to other accounts except ingame trading, different leagues(bloodlines/torment), different names etc, some had idle times set, some not. most of them were only active for 3 or 4 days when i decided to shrink down the size of farming bots due to hardware issues. similarish, but not same online times. would be thanksful for any information about why my bots might have been banned cheers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt 178 Report post Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Here comes Path of Exile banning information compiled from more than 50 bots created and banned in a few month space farming 12h/day. I'll put a list here of main causes of bans from my observations (the order is not important) exile bot logs and actions in-game: - Flagged VPN/VPS providers - Farming same World Map (Docks / Library / Dried Lake / Kaom's, etc..) without switching zone for long time - No Idle Settings, Runtime and Profile Changer (It's a must now for Auto-AFK shit implemented) - Trading all currency to one account from all bots - No in-game action like trading currency - Gearing your bot from your main account (flags your main too, repetitive action will ban your main) - Exile Bot issues: - Getting Stuck in a Map, - Portal Scrolls spamming, - Bot trying to do the same action without success, - Getting stuck in masters arena without the possibility to exit it, because the bot tries to spam portal scrolls and doesn't chicken out to login screen or char selection. - And there are more i can't remember right now - Human report of your account This are my main observation, botting 7-8 bots daily for 12 hours. I have seen manual bans per account, automatic bans for 2-3-4 bots at the same time. Hope this helps you guys, because it was way to expensive for me to learn, but now it worth it! BOT Smart! Credits to Mojado Edited August 24, 2015 by dynastyo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Argee 0 Report post Posted July 22, 2016 Is it important to have another MAC with multiple accs? Isnt enough to have through sandboxie differents IPs ( paid VPN) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tungtm007 0 Report post Posted April 5, 2018 If i botting 10 accounts with 10 different computers in the same time, same public IP address, 5 hours/day Will i be banned? Thanks in advance for your answer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExBot 0 Report post Posted June 20, 2020 Did I read correctly ? I'ts not safe to mule items from bot('s) ? And its not safe to party with my bot('s) ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creapygames 4 Report post Posted June 21, 2020 Nothing is safe when you use bots or trade for real money, gl with you botting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
illi3n 0 Report post Posted September 18, 2020 Just a question but what about guild banks? provided the guild has multiple members? i have a group of freinds and we are all in the same guild, i wouldnt have any issues sharing currency ect with them would this flag> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
